Yeah? Well I don’t believe that you don’t believe that I believe…
September 19th, 2008I just read a brilliant article on the Times’ website:
That the world was created by an invisible deity, that He later impregnated a virgin who then bore a son who was His own father, that we have immortal souls and will live for ever in Heaven if we are good and love Jesus – how can anyone who has even attended high school believe such things? …Â It defies belief. …Â And if something defies belief, a good starting position is not to believe it. That is my position. I am not shocked by the persistence of religious belief in the West because I do not believe it exists. …Â The real test for genuine belief is not what people say, but what they do. To believe something is to be disposed to act upon it. The vast majority of Western Christians fail this test.
I’m not convinced I buy the argument (nor that the author does) — applying logic to the actions of idiots rarely has much predictive value — but it’s certainly worth raising for discussion. As with everything written about religion or atheism on high-traffic websites, though, the actual discussion that follows is moronic. The very first comment is this:
The liberals’ belief in man-made ‘global warming’ is just as ‘irrational’ as the traditional religious beliefs that the author decries. There is the same lack of evidence, the high priests like Al Gore, faith over science, proselytization, tithing, scorn of non-believers, etc.
Kevin Finnerty, Atlanta, USA
Relevance is a sin.
I’m a Catholic. My election vote always goes to the candidate most likely to vote for policies that will save unborn lives. Issues such as health care, education and housing are of little significance if the right to life is not accorded to all human beings at all stages of development.
Julia, Manchester, UK
I would say you have issues, but that would be to miscount.
First, just because someone calls themself a Christian, does not mean that they are in fact a Christian…
John, USA,
That’s not a counter-argument; that’s paraphrasing. Those are the first three comments. I find myself wanting to just post all of them. That would take ages, so trust me that the ones I’m ignoring are also great. I mean — just look for Paul from Dallas and also London…Â For reference, Pauls’ logic seems to go like this: assuming A and B leads to a contradcition, therefore the contradiction is true.
But it’s not just Christians who don’t follow through. Determinists continue to talk as if they were “free” to judge the validity of an argument. And atheists aren’t always the self-interested hedonists one might expect from believers in a meaningless universe with only a darwinian moral compass!
JS, Glasgow, UK
JS has failed to get drunk and start a fight, so I’m forced to conclude that he hasn’t followed through on his claim to be from Glasgow. And one might argue that it’s wrong to mock the determinists, because they don’t have a choice but to behave that way.
Fundamentalism and political correctness are pretty much the same thing, dressed up from the same wardrobe as the emperor’s new clothes.
Rick Hepner, Salt Lake City, USA
I have literally no idea what this is supposed to mean.
… Would Mr Whyte still hold to his argument if state and church rejoined and gave him ‘heavenly’ policies with ‘heavenly’ consequences? I doubt it.
Ali, Colchester, Essex
How amazing is that? “Yes, but would you think so if the evidence pointed the other way? Ha, then you can’t really believe it!”. That’s about the most Religion idea I’ve ever heard.
I don’t believe many atheists really believe what they claim to believe. …
Paul, Nottingham,
I wasn’t aware we claimed to believe anything. I thought that was the point.
Surely this line of argument applies just as surely to atheists. What about the weight of living without a God? Your line of reasoning exposes you as one who does not believe either
David , London,
Oh crap, he’s right. I don’t go to church or recklessly shag prostitutes, so I guess I neither believe in God nor not believe in God. Great, now I’m in an existential quandary. Thanks a lot.
I’m curious – Mr Whyte – what would be your position on all the atheists and agnostics who celebrate Christmas… send cards, give presents, and put up Xmas trees? Are they self-delusional too? Or just cheerfully hypocritical?
Jay, Aberystwyth, Wales
Yeah, and what about the infidels who watch soaps but don’t write to the characters? Hypocrites!
What we truly believe can be politically inexpedient, personally challenging, socially isolating, painfulful or even meaningless, and we are free to ignore it when convenient and profess it when advantageous. And we do. It depends on who we are, where we are and when and who with.
Lars Torders, lowestoft,Â
“The truth can be inconvenient, so it’s okay to just ignore it.” Do you work for the McCain campaign?
This country has struggled for many years with the issue of Tolerance. We’ve moved slowly and painfully towards racial, sexual and cultural tolerance; Because we are an increasingly multicultural society. Yet this article is filled with religious intolerance. Embrace love, not hate. Jesus is love.
Chris, Coventry,
Ooh, you almost had it there, but you just had to blow it at the last minute…
Mr. Whyte, your “arguments” seem to me like a poor copy of Richard Dawkins’. The question to ask is not … ”do foetuses have an ‘immortal soul’ since conception?” … but … ’if a foetus is a ‘project’ of human person, do we have the right to dispose of it as though it was a mere ‘thing’?”
Miguel de Servet, Villanueva de Sijena, Spain
These issues are always easier when you phrase them so they don’t make sense.
And as for “if something defies belief, a good starting position is not to believe it,” – well that’s patently ludicrous. If Scientists failed to believe what begin as abstract theories how would it progress? …
Matt, Birmingham, UK
We prove things, you moron. After we’ve done that it’s okay to believe them. “If we didn’t just make shit up, how would we ever progress?”
It’s sad isn’t it.I agree, surely if Christians lived by the Bible,a book promoting peace&hating wrong-doing, then this world would be a very different place.Christians are failures,I think most, including me, would admit that. That’s why Jesus came on the scene…please investigate his life!
Amy, West Bromwich,
We have done and it’s made up. Also, you have clearly never read the Bible.
“The real test for genuine belief is not what people say, but what they do”. This applies to atheists just as much as to religious believers and the new atheists, clinging to the morality of the Sermon on the Mount , and not the morality of the survival of the fittest , abysmally fail the test.
Jamie, London, UK
You know who I hate? It’s those hypocrite mathematicians who don’t base their morality on set theory. Them and Abraham Fleury, San Diego, USA, who can’t tell the word ‘ludicrous’ from the rapper Ludacris.
What “lack of evidence for the central tenets of Christianity”? The conversion of untold numbers of previous “avowed atheists” to Christianity is pretty good evidence. …
Mike T., Roseville, CA, USA
I used to be Catholic. Discuss.
I don’t believe that atheists such as Jamie Whyte really are atheists. He doesn’t live acccording to his beliefs as an atheist. If he did he would not live as if there is right and wrong or that he loves his family or friends or delights in beauty or that his reasoning has any validity.
Kenneth Brownell, London,
I’ve heard “God = Morality” before, and “Jesus = Love”, but I’ve never heard “God = Valid Reasoning”.
Jesus and God are real. Of this I have no doubt. Look at the universe.Look at the trees. Look at the insects. Look at DNA. My word to believe that all of this could possibly spring up from nothing and on its own takes way more faith to believe than believing in God. Search your hearts. God is real.
Buddy, Springfield, United States
I had my DNA sequenced. It went like this: “GTACACAGATTACAGTCTHEREISNOGODTTGACTA”. Personally, I think it’s a message from aliens.
That article truly breaks my heart! how can someone say these things so bluntly, and as if the were all true! Looking into a true Christians heart, you would find SO many wonderful things: love, joy, passion, authenticity, respect, honor. I just do not understand why you would disclaim that!
Allison, Oklahoma City, USA
As an atheist, my heart is just a muscley pump and I am forced to keep that stuff in my brain.
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July 3rd, 2009 at 23:45
I think the funniest post here is by Allison from Oklahoma city. DNA sequenced. That is really funny.
God has a lot of witt too. Then he has his other side that is not so funny. How do I know? In the Spring of 2006 God came to my house and had a very long talk with me.
July 4th, 2009 at 00:02
Gods big message is about the meaning of “First is Last and Last is First”. First, means the very first thing that happens to you on Earth. Birth on Earth is First. Or Birth equals First. Are you following me? God is saying that “Birth is Last”. What that means is that you really haven’t been born yet in Gods World. Now for the next part of Gods message “Last is First”. When you die(last) in this world it is your birthday in the next. Last now becomes First. Birth is First. Or Birth is Last and Birth is First, in that order.
To summarized God is saying that Life is continuous. The End is also the Beginning. We all live in a cycle of life and so Does God. God also has an End and a Beginning.
July 4th, 2009 at 00:32
God also has a very different story about the life and death of Jesus. God says Christ dies in Rome at a Roman event, not Jerusalem. He also said that after the event Christs body is thrown out with the trash after the event. Christ does not get his old body back. No one sees Christ walking around in his old dead body. He gets a new body in Heaven, his old body is now trash. God also says that Christs name was not Jesus. Jesus’ real name was John. John’s last name is Doe. John Doe died on the Cross in Rome with others. God says that the House of David was taken to Rome by those that thought they were smarter, better, superior, to be taught a lesson. That is the word of God.
God disagrees with the New Testament in a number of places. What that means is that the Bible was written by men and not God. Some one made it all up. Except God says you are resurrected, so they got a few things right. Constantine probably found information about the resurrection from the Old Testament.
Just because the New Testament is made up does not mean that God is not real. God is very real. God talked to me so I know for a fact that God is real. .
July 4th, 2009 at 00:36
In 2007 God had this message:
“We each die in succession, then we are born on the same day”.
That is the word of God, word for word. I changed nothing.
July 4th, 2009 at 00:40
This is all fascinating stuff.
July 4th, 2009 at 00:47
Note the order in the message above from God. First he says we Die, after we die we are born. Birth is Last. This message links up with his first message in 2006, “First will be Last and Last will be First” or First is Last and Last is First
God had a lot more to say but I don’t want to fill up your blog. Melanie
July 4th, 2009 at 01:18
I think the essential problem with religious people is that they start with a conclusion and work backwards. No matter how crazy the path they take is, they absolutely have to arrive at that conclusion.
July 4th, 2009 at 08:35
“God disagrees with the New Testament in a number of places”. I disagree with the New Testament in a number of places. Ergo, I am God!
July 4th, 2009 at 15:25
“We each die in succession, then we are born on the same dayâ€.
In the above message from God, he uses the word WE. We, means a group of people. God is very precise in his choice of words. God does not use the word ALL or Everyone. He also gives an example of people that are going to Heaven that is linked to this message. God says that Mike Douglas, Merv Griffin and Nancy Reagan are going to Heaven. Mike Douglas died in 2006 on his Birthday. Merv who lived and almost identical life to Mike dies in 2007 the day after Mike. Merv lived 1 year, 1 month, and 1 day longer the Mike. Merv Griffin and Nancy Reagan were life long friends. Nancy and Merv are born on the same day. Note that all of these people
Mike Douglas is also linked to Gods message about First is Last by dying on his Birthday.
God also says we are born on the same day. I had to give a lot of thought to what the same day meant. Even though I have counted a number of days that I have been alive, in Heaven terms my life is 1 day long and so is yours. God is still in the day. (I will explain this later.)
Since a group of people are going to Heaven this also means that there is a group of people that are not going to be born in Heaven. Hell is very real and so is Death.
(Death in Heaven means you no longer exist or you just vanish.)
July 4th, 2009 at 15:49
I am not as precise as God. I meant to say.
Note that all of these people were wealthy. Money is not a factor in getting into Heaven. The Church says that a rich man can not enter into the gates of Heaven because they want you to leave all your money inside the Church before you leave. The Church wants your money!! The few times I have gone to Church most of the talk is about tithing. I hate people asking me for money and I don’t have much to give either. So I didn’t go back.
Nancy Reagan is still alive and God says that she is going to Heaven. So her name is already in the book, or in Gods Will. Besides having money Nancy is also interested in Astrology. Otherwise I know very little about her life. Since she is a celebrity, information about her life can be found in a simple Google search. God picks celebrities as examples because there is lots of information on these people lives. You don’t have to be a celebrity to get into Heaven. God says that I am going to Heaven and I am not any one important.
July 4th, 2009 at 15:52
Man, that sucks, when God says you’re not anyone important.
July 4th, 2009 at 16:17
God also gives more examples of where other people are going after they die. God says that:
Richard Dawkins goes to Heaven, Leona Helmsley goes to Hell, and Jerry Falwell Vanishes.
That’s right you read it. God says that the Atheist goes to Heaven. The Bible toting Evangleist gets Death. And Leona was just a mean person so she gets Hell. Again all of these people are celebrities, Google search if you like. What I read about Jerry and Leona is that both were disliked by a lot of people. God must have felt the same way about these two. He must have hated Leona the most.
Again Richard Dawkins is still alive and he is the book headed for Heaven. Leona and Jerry are both dead. Leona right now is in Hell, she was also born on the 4th of July, that’s today. I found it interesting that Jerry Falwell and Mike Douglas were both born on the same day. The only difference is that Jerry did not die on his Birthday.
July 4th, 2009 at 16:30
Hi Andrew,
God did not say I am not important. I am just not a celebrity and don’t care to be. Most people would say that I am not important by their standards. I don’t have a big house, a fancy car, nice clothes, lots of money or an important position like being in charge of a big Corporation.
And this site keeps saying that: Error: apparently you aren’t smart enough to pass a simple test… So, I have to go back and enter five lower-case ‘b’ s.
July 4th, 2009 at 20:51
Hi Melanie. Next time you see God, can you tell him that I’m a big fan of his work, although France is a bit rubbish and he probably could’ve spent a couple of extra days making wasps a little less annoying.
July 5th, 2009 at 02:12
Hi Ben, I got the impression that you are across the pond. I am in Upstate New York. God already knows your a fan, I don’t need to tell him. He is with you all the time. If you knew how much he watched you, certain activities would be hard to preform. I did have a talk with God about wasps, ticks, bugs and disease. He said nothing. I was annoyed with him on about this. His mouth is shut on this subject? He never answers my questions.
Hi Andrew, I enjoyed reading all about Shazanity and the Great Mog. It was funny. I am sure God enjoyed it too. Now you can add Leona to your list of the Damned. Is Steve a qualified prophet? (With a degree?) If so he needs to do some more writing, your Bible needs more pages.
July 5th, 2009 at 11:30
Are you affiliated in any way to the world-famous Landover Baptists, Melanie? I think their site would be of great interest to you. Sister Talitha is their current spokesperson, but we are working on that, due to the scriptural prohibition on women usurping man`s authority. (You might like to give this some thought yourself!) See http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
July 5th, 2009 at 15:08
Hi BarrieJohn, I will check it out he Landover Baptists. And NO I am not affiliated with anyone. I think Sister Talitha should draw a line through the scriture that says she can’t preach. Mine is already blacked out. Or she could use “white out”. They both work well. A man put it in there a woman needs to cross it out. It’s a womans job to clean things up. The Church has been tinkering with the Bible for years, it time to remove the trash they put in the holy book. God approves this message.
July 5th, 2009 at 15:11
So, Islam, then?
July 5th, 2009 at 16:39
Hi Andrew,
God does not pick on any one Church or Religion. God says they all have false prophets. Even though Pope Benedict the 16th is our Earthly Father and is the head of a Pagan Catholic Church (Not the true Church), God still loves the Pope and the he is on the list of those going to Heaven. Pagans go to Heaven too. I like the Pope too.
Hold on here, How is the Pope a Pagan? I will explain. The Church says that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. Jesus died for you. That’s human sacrifice. Human sacrifice is a Pagan practice. The Romans did a lot of that. So did the Northern Europeans at Stonehenge. Everyone did it. Jesus was the sacrifical Lamb. When Constantine created the New Testament he incorporated that concept into the bible.
July 5th, 2009 at 16:57
God does not Contradict the Old Testament that I know of. The Jewish Religion could be the True Church. They are still waiting for their Savior. He hasn’t come yet.
July 5th, 2009 at 17:54
Hey Melanie, can you ask God what number I’m thinking of?
July 5th, 2009 at 18:29
No man put ANYTHING in the Holy Bible Melanie. Every single word is miraculously inspired by God! We know this because it says so in the Bible!!
July 5th, 2009 at 18:54
Hi Friz, I was busy watching Wimbleton. What a match. Federer finally won!!! I was routing for him. I have no idea what number you are thinking of. Is it between 1 and 10? I don’t think God is going to play this game.
Hi BarrieJohn, If you believe the bible is the Word of God that’s fine and dandy. Dandy and Fine. Besides human sacrifice being a Pagan concept. I have more proof. The New Testament is written in Hebrew, cause it was written by the hebrews. The Old Testament was written in Greek because it was written by the Romans. Now Yeshua is the name of the Messiah or the Savior in the OT. The Greeks tranlated the names in the OT, Yeshua does not translate into Jesus. The name Je-Sus is two greek words combined together. Sus in Greek means Swine. The name Jesus means Pigman. That is what the Romans thought of the Jews. The Jews were Swine. That is your religion. The Romans are making fun of the Jewish religion. Besides that the letter J does not exist in the Hebrew language. Before the 1600’s Jesus was spelled Iesus. Signs of Tinkering. You can look up the meaning of Greek words yourself, it is easy now that we have the Internet. Do you need more proof than this?
July 5th, 2009 at 19:01
Sorry I wrote that backwards. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The New Testament was written in Greek. I wish God could write, he wouldn’t make mistakes like that. Again sorry for the error.
July 5th, 2009 at 22:08
I don`t know what country you are living in Melanie, but all our Bibles here in the UK are written in good old English! And as someone so rightly said: “If the King James Version was good enough for Saint Paul, then it`s good enough for me!”
July 5th, 2009 at 22:13
Now a quotation from Nietzsche (Beyond Good and Evil): “It was subtle of God to learn Greek when he wished to become an author – and not to learn it better.” I can tell you as an ex-evangelical, who pored over lexicons, dictionaries, concordances, and so on, for many an hour, that that statement is absolutely hilarious!
July 5th, 2009 at 22:16
Lastly, regarding my statement above regarding the proof of the Bible being found in…the Holy Bible; please go to http://proudatheists.wordpress.com/ and scroll down to the very funny set of cartoons, where you will find one on that very subject!!
July 6th, 2009 at 00:39
I live in the United States. The State I live in is New York. I do not live in the city of New York. I live farther North from NY City. We call it Upstate here. I live in the Syracuse Metro Area. I don’t know how many people live here but it is a big city. A man named John Dryden lived here in the late 1700’s and he had an interest in Roman History. John Dyrden is the man that named all of the towns surrounding Syracuse after Roman Generals. Each General is known for something. Three of these Generals link up to a story about Heaven, Life and Death. Rome is due east from here. Yes, there is a Rome in New York State. Now I didn’t always live here. God set this story up before I was ever born. After God had everything set in place he told me Three Dreams. The first, second and third dream were about, is this order:
In the morning I go to Heaven. In the afternoon I live my life. In the evening I die, death.
Three dreams and three simple sentences. The dreams came in this order. Put together they say a lot. Note that First is Last and Last is First. Morning, Afternoon, Evening is One Day. My life is one day.
I don’t always write this simply. I am trying to do my best here. Now during the day God tells me that everything in the Dreams has meaning right down to the very last, smallest, detail. I have no idea what anything in dreams means, so I have to figure it out. Right down to the very last detail. It wasn’t easy. Now most people can’t remember their dreams, me too, but these dreams were very different from any dream I have ever had. I has been more than 3 years since the dreams and I still remember everything. That’s enough for now.
P.S. * * * I liked the Landover Baptist site the best, that I found funny. Really funny, Thanks for the Link. The other site wasn’t as humorous. It was more sarcastic. I don’t like sarcasim that much.
July 6th, 2009 at 10:09
That’s really inconvenient, actually. I had plans this evening.
July 10th, 2009 at 14:05
Wow, you’re right. Your commenters are a bit mental. They do know this is just your blog, right?
July 10th, 2009 at 14:15
I can’t think what else they might imagine it to be, but then thinking is probably the wrong approach.
July 11th, 2009 at 09:30
Actually, no one visits this blog except you and me, Katie. All the other comments are posted by Andrew himself, but it makes him feel good! It`s very sad really.
July 13th, 2009 at 23:03
Andrew, can’t you change the Captcha code question to “is there a God?”
May 14th, 2010 at 02:48
“is there a God?” If you can answer a few simple clues, I can prove there is a God.
First 1 : What is made out of WOOD and holds knowledge?
Second 2 : Who was nailed to a TREE?
Third 3 : How do snakes deceive us?
Fourth 4 : Is being naked a sin?
Fifth 5 : Name some things that are products from a Tree? example : a twig, branch, cross, book.
Sixth 6 : Do Bare and Bear sound the same but mean two different things.
Seven 7 : Are snakes a wild mammal or are they reptiles?
Eigth 8 : What is a beast?
Nine 9 : Were Adam and Eve bare naked in the Garden of Eden?
Ten 10 : Why did Adam and Even hide behind the bushes bare naked from God?
If your clueless and dont’ know how to do research stop here, your never going to get it. If you know that Books hold knowledge, Jesus was nailed to a tree, The tree bears Jesus, snakes looks like a branch (stick), snakes are hard to spot, we are deceived by a stick, being naked is a sin, the Church speaks from the branch (Cross), a cross and a book are made from a tree, Adam and Eve were bare naked, snakes are reptiles, men are mammals, a beast is a mammal that walks on all four, snakes dont talk but men do, men can be snakes.
If you understand all of these clues, Go read Genesis for the second time. The first time you read it you were a child and you read it as a child. Go read it as an adult. Remember snakes don’t talk, men are the only mammals that can talk. Tree don’t grow knowledge, but books do. Books are made from trees, Books hold knowledge of good and bad. The serpent is a man that speaks from the Stick (Cross). The crest on the Vatican is a dragon. Don’t take my word for it, go google for your self.
The Serpent is the Roman Catholic Pagan Church.
We have all been deceived. Go read Genesis. God himself is telling you exactly who Satan is from the very beginning. How could we not see this? It is very clear to me. Why is this not clear to you? The Tree is a Book. The Fruit is Jesus, The Tree Bears Jesus. God says ‘don’t eat the fruit’. The Roman Catholic Church is the Serpent. The stick talks. The Church talks from the Cross. After Adam and Eve read(ate, digested) the Bible then they knew that being naked was a sin, so they hid in the bushes from God. They were ashamed of their sin so they hid.
How did we miss this? Are we still reading the Bible as a Child does? If you can’t read Genesis on your own again you are never going to understand what I just wrote. So go read it again. And don’t be stupid. Snakes can’t talk and trees don’t grow knowledge. Read he clues. Eat and digest (take in, read) mean the same thing. You can digest a book. God says don’t digest Jesus. The Jews are still waiting for their Messiah. Jesus is not the prophet. Human sacrifice is a Pagan practice. Don’t eat Jesus. Don’t drink his blood or eat his body, that is Pagan. The New Testament is all about Jesus (bad) The Old Testament is (good). Your getting the good with the bad. The Romans made up a story about the Messiah coming. The Jews are still waiting for the Messiah.
God is telling you this in Genesis. Before Jesus ever shows up God is warning you that the fruit is poison. Don’t eat Jesus. Thousands of years before all of this comes true, God has told you about it. That is proof that God is real. Who else can tell you about the future. God knows about the future. This is proof. Thousands of years ago God had Moses write all of this down in the book of Genesis. Moses didn’t understand it, but he wrote it down.
The Jews copied it over and over again, so you could read it just as God wrote it thousands of years ago. No one understood it until now. The Book has been opened for you to understand it. All has been revealed for you. Read it and open your eyes just like Adam and Eve did. But don’t be ashamed your not the sinner like the Catholic Church says you are.
Clue 1001, The Serpent says, eat the fruit and you will not die.
Clue 1002, Does this sound familar. Digest Jesus and you will not die.
For one, I feel a whole lot better now that I know exactly who Satan is. Some of you are waiting for Satan or the Anti-Christ to come. He has already been here. He has already deceived you. Satan has been here, done it and now he has retired. Don’t feel bad if your worshipping Satan the other half of the world is worshipping the Whore. There are a few that worship God. Just a few.
May 14th, 2010 at 03:26
Oh, good, I’ve been hoping for this conversation to resume.
May 14th, 2010 at 08:09
Presumably Mel and God had a bit of a falling out, but they’re alright now.
Melanie, I’ve been talking to God too. He says He’s very sorry if he upset you but it was His Scissor Sisters album, Him dammit. He let you borrow it. That’s not permission to go lending it out to other people.
He’s bought another copy now. He says He found a cheap copy on Amazon, although He doesn’t like ordering from them. Traditionally He has trouble getting them to deliver to His address. Apparently it’s never occurred to Him to have Amazon deliver His stuff to a local church and then just pop in and pick it up when He’s on His way back from doing whatever it is Gods generally do during the day (I have it on good authority that Thor plays tennis, and Zeus has pretty much retired to a vineyard in Napa Valley).
Anyway, you owe God $6 plus shipping. He says you know where to mail the cheque.
May 14th, 2010 at 16:27
Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben Ben. Which number did you have trouble with? Lets start with 1 : First – What is made out of WOOD and holds knowledge? The correct answer to this question is ‘BOOK’.
Now lets go to the Bible (page 10)
This is a strange TREE, the fruit on this tree is knowledge of good and bad. Trees don’t grow knowledge do they? Books do grow knowledge. Books are made from wood. So we know that God is really talking about a book and not a tree. Isn’t that simple? In this book is knowledge of good in bad. God is talking about the Bible and not Moby Dick. The Bible contains knowledge of good and bad. Now Moses wrote down exactly what God told him to write even though he didn’t understand it more than 3000 years ago. In all of this time, no one knew what kind of TREE was in the garden of Eden.
Ben, God doesn’t need to buy music at Amazon. He gets it for free. He is also on the Internet, he knows how to work the Internet. And Yes God knows you talk to him, but you don’t know what his reply is to you. God doesn’t answer your questions to your satisfaction either. You made up a story just like God did in Genesis.
Yes, God made up a story for children to read. And we are still children. He is telling you two stories in one. The story is a work of a genius if you can understand the symbols in the story. Example when God says EAT, he really means: take in, digest, read. Like ‘Readers Digest’.
May 14th, 2010 at 16:39
Second 2 : Who was nailed to a TREE?
What is the Fruit on the Tree? The Fruit in the New Testament is Jesus. Jesus was nailed to the Tree.
Jesus is the Fruit on the Tree. Gods says don’t digest Jesus. Don’t drink his blood (wine) or eat his body (bread).
Why shouldn’t you take Jesus in? Because the true Messiah has not come yet. Jesus is not the prophet. The Jews are still waiting for the Messiah to come. God says don’t take in the New Testament(bad) because the Roman Catholic Pagan Church made it all up. Human Sacrifice is a Pagan practice. Jesus didn’t die for your sins. The Old Testament(good) is the word of God and the NT is not the word of God.
May 14th, 2010 at 19:16
Harry Potter is also a book, but that doesn’t mean we should constantly be on the lookout for Voldemort.
You are, I shit you not, the most insane person I have ever had contact with. God agrees with me.
May 14th, 2010 at 19:30
More of Genesis:
Note that God uses the word “Stick”. Adam and Eve are Bare naked. Bear and Bare sound the same. In the next paragraph God tells you exactly who Satan is.
God just told you exactly who the Serpent is. We all know that snakes are reptiles and not a wild beast. A beast is a mammal that walks on all four. The snake talks. The snake is really a mammal. The only mammal that talks is man. So the serpent is really a man and not a snake at all. Next how do snakes deceive us? The snake looks like a branch or a stick, until is moves. This Stick talks. The serpent talks from the stick. The Church speaks through the Cross. God is telling us right here exactly who Satan is. Satan is the Roman Catholic Church. The Serpent knows what God said about the Tree in the garden. The Church knows what God said. On the front door of the Vatican is a Crest of a Dragon. That tells you whats inside. Now I like Pope Benedict 16th. God loves the Pope Benedict even though he is a Pagan. Pagans go the Heaven too.
May 14th, 2010 at 19:40
Ben, Ben Ben. God does NOT agree with you. God says that Everything you hold to be true is FALSE. That means everything you know is not TRUE. Your completely wrong about everything you know. You have been deceived! Just like most everyone else in the entire WORLD has been decieved by Satan. Satan is Gods creation. God says so in Genesis 3:1. God created all of the Wild Beasts in the field.
May 15th, 2010 at 01:13
This is where Adam and Eve loose their innocence.
The serpent spoke the truth. Their eyes were opened and they knew good from bad. They did not die this very day.
May 15th, 2010 at 01:33
God is telling you a lot in this verse. Two things stand out to me. After they read from the Bible they realized that being naked is a sin. They covered their sin with fig leaves.
Another point stands out to me and that is when the Serpent says “You positively will not die”. Does this sound similar to you. Take Jesus in (believe in Jesus) and you will not die”. Jesus is the fruit in the New Testament. Believe in Jesus and you will not die. That is a true statement. Because if you believe in Jesus or if you don’t believe in Jesus you will not die. So it is a half truth. It’s not the whole truth. It doesn’t matter if you eat Jesus or not. Your not going to die this very day. But no matter what you believe in your going to die in this World anyway. So my Father, God, is not telling me anything I didn’t know already. No matter what, I am going to die in this world. It doesn’t matter what I believe in.
In some ways I think God has mislead us by thinking we could live forever if it wasn’t for sin. Adam and Eve didn’t really sin, it’s the Church that made them think they were sinners. Adam and Eve were innocent. Jesus was innocent too.
May 15th, 2010 at 02:17
This is such a great story I have to finish it. I hate people that quote from the Bible too. But this is just to good of a story.
Oh, God is saying so much here I could write pages on these few verses. The big point I see here is that after they read from the Bible they were ashamed of their sin so the hid from God. They are hiding in the bushes. Adam and Eve sound like children in their response to God. Johnny says that Sally gave it to me and Sally says the Dog talked me into it. These are children. A man would take the blame. They are both still wearing their birthday suits. They are still bare naked like new borns. And they are new borns. God is calling for them just like a parent calls for his child. “Where are you?” he calls.
Now this is why the Catholic Church says that Jesus had to die on the Cross because of Adams original sin. Jesus had to die for Adams sin. Adam is a Child. All children disobey their parents at one time or another in their life. Why would someone else have to die because two kids got into a tree and picked some fruit. How does that work? After Jesus died on the cross sin didn’t stop. People kept on sinning. Why would God want someone else to suffer for what some one else did? Just because Billy was bad doesn’t mean that Tommy has to pay the penalty.
Some Christains feel so good that Jesus died for them. Jesus died for me. That is so selfish. How can you feel good about someone else suffering for you? I don’t want anyone to suffer for my well being. I don’t gain anything from that. No one wants to suffer for anyone else. Why would someone as brilliant as our Father want one of us to suffer for the sins of the rest of us? I mean look at the story he wrote here. It’s the work of a genius. He told us two different stories in one. Not one person for thousands of years ever said the Tree is really a Book. It has been kept hidden from us. I read this story literally just like the rest of you when I was a child. When I was a child I read it as a child. Now that I am an adult, I read it as an adult. I know snakes don’t talk. I do know that the Church speaks from the stick.
May 15th, 2010 at 08:55
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May 15th, 2010 at 14:31
Ben, I haven’t even gotten to the punch line yet and your laughing your head off in “Comedy Gold”. I know I am witty as HELL but we haven’t gotten there yet.
May 15th, 2010 at 14:48
Now I didn’t know exactly who Satan was until this year. I had to read the symbols in Genesis to figure it out. I’ll tell you I am a Hell of a lot more comfortable now that I know exactly who Satan is. Satan is the snake that talks from the stick (the Catholic Church talks from the Cross).
Now that’s Comedy Gold!
May 17th, 2010 at 01:10
Cracking Gods Code. This is how I do it:
God does a number of things that he does that throw most people off from what he is really saying. For one he uses words that are spelled the same but mean something completely different: Example Stick like glue and a Stick that is part of a tree. Also words that are spelled differently and sound the same like Bear and Bare. He also uses sayings like “Lets go outside”. Which could mean a couple of things. If he says hamburger he could mean Cow. Besides interpreting the Story about Adam and Eve, I can also do it with other stories he wrote. To get you started so you can learn how to do this yourself lets next go the the story about Cain and Abel. God tells us they are brothers right away. Brother kills brother. First we know that we are all brothers and sisters so Cain and Abel may not be direct siblings. God is telling you two stories with one. This story is also about the past and the present just like the story about Adam and Eve. Next step: Cain and Abel sound like Cane and Able. Use Websters dictionary and look up these two words. God wrote websters too. Websters gives a very precise meaning just like God does. If I get stuck I go to Websters or I Google for help. Everything that God says has meaning. Everything has meaning. Don’t skip one word. If you come across something that sounds like magic (not possible), God is talking in symbols. Example: 3 men walking around in a furnace really means that they are taking the heat and come out fine. You really can’t surive in a real furnace fire can you? See if you can figure out the rest of the story. Now, I know what the “Mark of Cain” is. What do you think it is?
May 17th, 2010 at 15:39
Cracking Gods Code. He also talks in opposites.
Example: as Sit is to Stand. Or Right is the opposite of Left. In the story about Cain and Abel. They are opposites. Cane is the opposite of Able. When God was looking with favor upon Abel, he did not look with favor upon Cain and his offerings. It’s really the opposite. It is really Cain who sees Able as being favored by God. By using opposite names God is telling you at the start the views are also opposite. God does not need an offering and then both men have made equal offerings. It is Cain that views Abels offering to be greater, not God. It is Cains view that God favors Abel. Cain becomes jealous of Abel.
Another point in this story is that only God and Cain are talking. Able says nothing at all. Adam and Eve are not in the story at all at this point. The story is about God talking to Cain and Cain answering to God.
May 18th, 2010 at 16:47
Cracking Gods Code: I have to back up to the beginning of the story about Cain and Abel, to make a third point on opposites.
Here they are both Farmers but they are opposite farmers. Abel is a herder and Cain grows plants. Cain and Abel have differences from the beginning.
Moving on to the part where God says: Gen 4:7 “and will you, for your part, get ther mastery over it?” The very next thing Cain does is, he goes to see his brother.
Abel says nothing back to Cain. Abel goes to the field with his brother. Abel knows that Cain is hot and they have their differences. He knows that they are going to the field of battle.
Cain and Abel are not the only two men on the field that day. It says so farther down in Chapter 4. Cain says : “and it is certain that anyone finding me will kill me?” – There are other people in the World and Cain knows it. Adam and Eve weren’t the only people that God created that day. God has left a lot out of the story for you to figure out on your own.
Cain and Abel battle it out that day. Cain manages to kill his brother but he is wounded in the battle. The clues say so. Cain sounds like Cane. Cain now needs a crutch.
May 19th, 2010 at 00:30
I did some research on sibling murders. Preteen Sibling killing Sibling is rare. Less than a dozen take place across the country each year. Between 1976 and 2005, 198 children age 13 and younger died in sibling-on-sibling homicides, according to the latest statistics from the Department of Justice. The reasons can seem petty.
Accidental death is much higher. 143,000 people die each year from accidents in the home or on the road. Out of that about 43,000 deaths occur on the road each year.
I haven’t done any research on the number of people that die in WAR each year. I think the number of people that died in WAR this year is much higher than siblings killing each other and far less than people that die from accidental death. That is just for this year. In past years the Civil War in America was a bloody war, the number of dead was very high. The Civil War is a good example of brother killing brother. Then there is World War II, I believe millions died in that war.
God is talking about WAR</b< and not siblings killing each other. Just by the numbers I think that is pretty clear. The statistics say that less than a dozen sibling murders occur each year. God would not write a story about something that rarely happens. God is talking about War. War has been going on since the beginning of time and we have yet to get the mastery over it. I know I am right on this, God is talking about War.
May 19th, 2010 at 00:46
The American Civil War remains the deadliest war in American history, resulting in the deaths of 620,000 soldiers and an undetermined number of civilian casualties. Ten percent of all Northern males 20-45 years of age died, as did 30 percent of all Southern white males aged 18-40. This is what God means when he talks about Brother killing Brother.
May 19th, 2010 at 16:30
Cracking Gods Code: Picking it up from where I left off at Genesis 4:8 So it came about that while they were in the field Cain proceeded to assault Abel his brother and kill him.
Cane has dissed Able, when he says: “Am I my brothers keeper?” Cain is unconcerned about his brother. Then comes Gods punishment. At first the punishment sounds harsh, but Cain is only being sent away to a land that is less productive. Cain is concerned that someone will kill him if he is found by other people. God shows mercy on Cain and says that anyone killing Cain will suffer vengence seven times. Why would God take vengence on anyone hurting Cain? Because Cane has suffered enough and will carry the wounds of battle for the rest of his life. Cane is disabled. Cain leaves and finds a wife. More proof that he is not alone in the World, there are other people out there and on the battle ground with him. He finds a wife in another land. Cain does not marry his sister. He then builds a city. More proof that there are lots of people with Cain. You can’t build a city with just a wife and a few children. It takes a lot of people to build a city. That’s why it’s a CITY.
I think I gave you enough information for you to figure that out for your self. All of the words are in this block.