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	<title>Comments on: Specifically Mormon Crackpot Of The Year: 2007</title>
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	<description>Floccinaucinihilipilificating antidisestablishmentarianism since 2001.</description>
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		<title>By: Apathy Sketchpad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; And Don&#8217;t Get Me Started on the Name of His Bus</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2007/12/09/specifically-mormon-crackpot-of-the-year-2007/#comment-4932</link>
		<dc:creator>Apathy Sketchpad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; And Don&#8217;t Get Me Started on the Name of His Bus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] running mate. It includes Charlie Crist, who opposes gay rights despite (reportedly) being gay, Mitt Romney, who thinks that &#8220;freedom requires religion&#8221;, Mike Huckabee, who wants to amend the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] running mate. It includes Charlie Crist, who opposes gay rights despite (reportedly) being gay, Mitt Romney, who thinks that &#8220;freedom requires religion&#8221;, Mike Huckabee, who wants to amend the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Apathy Sketchpad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No-Brainer ’08: America Embraces The Obvious</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2007/12/09/specifically-mormon-crackpot-of-the-year-2007/#comment-1960</link>
		<dc:creator>Apathy Sketchpad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No-Brainer ’08: America Embraces The Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] while back Mitt &#8220;Well At Least I&#8217;m Not  An Atheist&#8221; Romney, the crackpot torturer who thinks..., woke up and smelt the coffee (this is statistically likely as he would have been in America and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] while back Mitt &#8220;Well At Least I&#8217;m Not  An Atheist&#8221; Romney, the crackpot torturer who thinks&#8230;, woke up and smelt the coffee (this is statistically likely as he would have been in America and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Apathy Sketchpad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No-Brainer ’08: The Issues</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2007/12/09/specifically-mormon-crackpot-of-the-year-2007/#comment-1640</link>
		<dc:creator>Apathy Sketchpad &#187; Blog Archive &#187; No-Brainer ’08: The Issues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] support or oppose torture? Most oppose it, but the following support it: Giuliani, Hunter, Romney (our own Specifically Mormon Crackpot of the Year) and Tancredo (with Cox and “Fred” silent on the issue). The same four candidates, and nobody [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] support or oppose torture? Most oppose it, but the following support it: Giuliani, Hunter, Romney (our own Specifically Mormon Crackpot of the Year) and Tancredo (with Cox and “Fred” silent on the issue). The same four candidates, and nobody [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2007/12/09/specifically-mormon-crackpot-of-the-year-2007/#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further Romney bashing!

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/12900371.html

Oh, and Matt, personally it's the &lt;i&gt;mainstream&lt;/i&gt; religious sects and cults that worry me. The non-mainstream ones tend to have very little power.

In any case the current President &lt;i&gt;thinks an invisible wizard who lives in the sky personally advises him on policy&lt;/i&gt; -- and people support him for it! "These people" won power years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further Romney bashing!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/12900371.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/12900371.html</a></p>
<p>Oh, and Matt, personally it&#8217;s the <i>mainstream</i> religious sects and cults that worry me. The non-mainstream ones tend to have very little power.</p>
<p>In any case the current President <i>thinks an invisible wizard who lives in the sky personally advises him on policy</i> &#8212; and people support him for it! &#8220;These people&#8221; won power years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: matt holt</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2007/12/09/specifically-mormon-crackpot-of-the-year-2007/#comment-1515</link>
		<dc:creator>matt holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please please do not let these people win power! why has america got so many non mainstream religious sects/cults and they are run by people who are obviously mentally and morally unstable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please please do not let these people win power! why has america got so many non mainstream religious sects/cults and they are run by people who are obviously mentally and morally unstable?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2007/12/09/specifically-mormon-crackpot-of-the-year-2007/#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's an alternate opinion of Romney's speech, from USA Today.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/12/romneys-cult-of.html
Cached version: http://www.furl.net/item/29114798/cached

They call the speech "a milestone in the service of reason". And they so nearly have a point.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Was it perfect? Almost. 

In a big-tent speech clearly aimed at inclusiveness, Romney left himself open to criticism by leaving out non-believers. A single sentence recognizing that tolerance for all faiths also includes tolerance for the faithless seems an unwise oversight. As explained by someone close to Romney, however, there was never any planned tactic to exclude non-religious people. Implicit in the idea of religious liberty is that one freely chooses to be religious or not. Also assumed was that even non-believers would respect America's tradition of religious pluralism. 

The other weakness — just to get them both out of the way — was a single line that was unnecessarily confounding: "Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's just flat-out wrong. It wasn't a single line; it was many lines. "Our constitution was made for … religious people," he said, and "any person who has knelt in prayer to the Almighty has a friend and ally in me", and that bit where he said secularist were "wrong" &lt;i&gt;despite saying "no religion should dictate to the state"&lt;/i&gt;. What does he think secularism &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;? His stated position is dead-against &lt;i&gt;his own policy&lt;/i&gt;.

Also, they point out "he tried to allay mainstream Christians' concerns, saying that he shares their belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the savior of mankind" -- that's the wrong way to do it. He's already said he won't let religion define his candidacy, and that he wouldn't let religion dictate his politics. That should be enough -- and it should make his opinion of Jesus irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an alternate opinion of Romney&#8217;s speech, from USA Today.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/12/romneys-cult-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/12/romneys-cult-of.html</a><br />
Cached version: <a href="http://www.furl.net/item/29114798/cached" rel="nofollow">http://www.furl.net/item/29114798/cached</a></p>
<p>They call the speech &#8220;a milestone in the service of reason&#8221;. And they so nearly have a point.</p>
<blockquote><p>Was it perfect? Almost. </p>
<p>In a big-tent speech clearly aimed at inclusiveness, Romney left himself open to criticism by leaving out non-believers. A single sentence recognizing that tolerance for all faiths also includes tolerance for the faithless seems an unwise oversight. As explained by someone close to Romney, however, there was never any planned tactic to exclude non-religious people. Implicit in the idea of religious liberty is that one freely chooses to be religious or not. Also assumed was that even non-believers would respect America&#8217;s tradition of religious pluralism. </p>
<p>The other weakness — just to get them both out of the way — was a single line that was unnecessarily confounding: &#8220;Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s just flat-out wrong. It wasn&#8217;t a single line; it was many lines. &#8220;Our constitution was made for … religious people,&#8221; he said, and &#8220;any person who has knelt in prayer to the Almighty has a friend and ally in me&#8221;, and that bit where he said secularist were &#8220;wrong&#8221; <i>despite saying &#8220;no religion should dictate to the state&#8221;</i>. What does he think secularism <i>is</i>? His stated position is dead-against <i>his own policy</i>.</p>
<p>Also, they point out &#8220;he tried to allay mainstream Christians&#8217; concerns, saying that he shares their belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the savior of mankind&#8221; &#8212; that&#8217;s the wrong way to do it. He&#8217;s already said he won&#8217;t let religion define his candidacy, and that he wouldn&#8217;t let religion dictate his politics. That should be enough &#8212; and it should make his opinion of Jesus irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: SupSuper</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2007/12/09/specifically-mormon-crackpot-of-the-year-2007/#comment-1471</link>
		<dc:creator>SupSuper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mormons oppose &lt;em&gt;tea and coffee&lt;/em&gt;?!? Seriously, &lt;em&gt;what&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mormons oppose <em>tea and coffee</em>?!? Seriously, <em>what</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: M. le Prof d'Anglais</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2007/12/09/specifically-mormon-crackpot-of-the-year-2007/#comment-1470</link>
		<dc:creator>M. le Prof d'Anglais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, adopted by Congress and signed by President John Adams clearly states that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" and "The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."

And let's not get started on Thomas Paine: "The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion"(The Age of Reason, 1794)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, adopted by Congress and signed by President John Adams clearly states that &#8220;the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion&#8221; and &#8220;The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not get started on Thomas Paine: &#8220;The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion&#8221;(The Age of Reason, 1794)</p>
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