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	<title>Comments on: Smoking In Public</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2004/06/06/col-smoke2/comment-page-1/#comment-1468</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what your point is, but for what it&#039;s worth I agree that it should be illegal to drive cars inside public buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what your point is, but for what it&#8217;s worth I agree that it should be illegal to drive cars inside public buildings.</p>
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		<title>By: kwin</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2004/06/06/col-smoke2/comment-page-1/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>kwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.forcesitaly.org/italy/download/invern_critique2.pdf

c&#039;mon, you cant seriously think that car exhaust isnt at least equally as dangerous/emits an equal amount of co, 

the experiment is flawed in too many ways to mention, however ill bet my life on it that cars are worse, so the next time you see a traffic jam full of hummers and anti smoker activists light up that smoke and tell them to eat shit, 

ban all public health risks, not just smoking,</description>
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<p>c&#8217;mon, you cant seriously think that car exhaust isnt at least equally as dangerous/emits an equal amount of co, </p>
<p>the experiment is flawed in too many ways to mention, however ill bet my life on it that cars are worse, so the next time you see a traffic jam full of hummers and anti smoker activists light up that smoke and tell them to eat shit, </p>
<p>ban all public health risks, not just smoking,</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2004/06/06/col-smoke2/comment-page-1/#comment-803</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 03:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,old bean,lighten up.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2004/06/06/col-smoke2/comment-page-1/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 19:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yes, I quite agree that comparing car exhaust and cigarette smoke is idiotic. That&#039;s why I wrote a blog entry about how saying &quot;if you ban smoking in public, you have to ban car exhausts&quot; is &quot;wrong&quot;.

But if I was going to make that case in a reasonable way I had to back up that statement with a sensible argument, and my argument was that it&#039;s ludicrous to suggest that smoking restrictions should apply to exhaust fumes because exhaust pipes release a less toxic substance in a better ventilated place for a better reason. Alright, so maybe they release more of it, but nobody actually receives that dose because the car will, if it&#039;s being used properly, spread it over an area of several square miles.

I &quot;cling to [my] science&quot; because &quot;my science&quot; is proper, peer-reviewed, real science. It&#039;s evidence. It proves that I am right. So please forgive me for getting indignant when people turn up and glibly try to deny proven facts with badly constructed thought experiments. And I&#039;ll thank you not to put the word &quot;science&quot; in inverted commas when referring to respected medical journals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes, I quite agree that comparing car exhaust and cigarette smoke is idiotic. That&#8217;s why I wrote a blog entry about how saying &#8220;if you ban smoking in public, you have to ban car exhausts&#8221; is &#8220;wrong&#8221;.</p>
<p>But if I was going to make that case in a reasonable way I had to back up that statement with a sensible argument, and my argument was that it&#8217;s ludicrous to suggest that smoking restrictions should apply to exhaust fumes because exhaust pipes release a less toxic substance in a better ventilated place for a better reason. Alright, so maybe they release more of it, but nobody actually receives that dose because the car will, if it&#8217;s being used properly, spread it over an area of several square miles.</p>
<p>I &#8220;cling to [my] science&#8221; because &#8220;my science&#8221; is proper, peer-reviewed, real science. It&#8217;s evidence. It proves that I am right. So please forgive me for getting indignant when people turn up and glibly try to deny proven facts with badly constructed thought experiments. And I&#8217;ll thank you not to put the word &#8220;science&#8221; in inverted commas when referring to respected medical journals.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2004/06/06/col-smoke2/comment-page-1/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 18:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feeling snide? Nope, not in the least, just patronized and highly amused.When it comes to toxins,dosage is everything,something the good people on both sides of the smoking-ban issue almost always ignore.Comparing car exhaust and cigarette smoke is idiotic,yet both sides do so,claiming,as always, that it proves nothing/everything.

 What amuses me are the responses I receive.Smokers and non smokers have one wonderful trait in common; they both cling to their &quot;science&quot; like a fat kid on a candy bar.Any time anyone challenges said science their response,like yours and Adams`, is usually quick and indignant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feeling snide? Nope, not in the least, just patronized and highly amused.When it comes to toxins,dosage is everything,something the good people on both sides of the smoking-ban issue almost always ignore.Comparing car exhaust and cigarette smoke is idiotic,yet both sides do so,claiming,as always, that it proves nothing/everything.</p>
<p> What amuses me are the responses I receive.Smokers and non smokers have one wonderful trait in common; they both cling to their &#8220;science&#8221; like a fat kid on a candy bar.Any time anyone challenges said science their response,like yours and Adams`, is usually quick and indignant.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2004/06/06/col-smoke2/comment-page-1/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 22:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.google.com/search?q=car+exhaust+cigarette&amp;btnG=Search

Pick whichever you like best.

(At time of writing, this search threw up several pages saying cigarette smoke was &lt;em&gt;ten times&lt;/em&gt; as toxic as diesel exhaust.)

Edit: Just in case the results have changed, here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/13/3/219&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a peer-reviewed paper from the British Medical Journal&lt;/a&gt; to the above effect. Are we still feeling snide?</description>
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<p>Pick whichever you like best.</p>
<p>(At time of writing, this search threw up several pages saying cigarette smoke was <em>ten times</em> as toxic as diesel exhaust.)</p>
<p>Edit: Just in case the results have changed, here&#8217;s <a href="http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/13/3/219" rel="nofollow">a peer-reviewed paper from the British Medical Journal</a> to the above effect. Are we still feeling snide?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 22:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, no-one is disputing the toxicity of car fumes or that being in (and this is important) an unventilated atmosphere with them will kill you.

How much smoke do you think one car makes in comparison to one cigarette? Do you really think 50 chain smokers can create the same amount of smoke.
When you multiply up the amounts to the same level, then you will find that cigarette smoke is more toxic. And I&#039;LL be pleased to come inspect the results of your survey on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, no-one is disputing the toxicity of car fumes or that being in (and this is important) an unventilated atmosphere with them will kill you.</p>
<p>How much smoke do you think one car makes in comparison to one cigarette? Do you really think 50 chain smokers can create the same amount of smoke.<br />
When you multiply up the amounts to the same level, then you will find that cigarette smoke is more toxic. And I&#8217;LL be pleased to come inspect the results of your survey on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog/2004/06/06/col-smoke2/comment-page-1/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Car exhaust fumes are less toxic than cigarette smoke? Where, exactly, did you come up with that little chunk of wisdom? Let`s test that theory. Tonight,you sit in your garage with an idling car and I`ll sit in mine with 50 chain-smokers.In the morning,I`ll come over to drive your corpse to the morgue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Car exhaust fumes are less toxic than cigarette smoke? Where, exactly, did you come up with that little chunk of wisdom? Let`s test that theory. Tonight,you sit in your garage with an idling car and I`ll sit in mine with 50 chain-smokers.In the morning,I`ll come over to drive your corpse to the morgue.</p>
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